March 18, 2011 5:05 AM PDT
Rev John is absolutely right! The last three trips down to SD Harley Davidson for the saturday bbq and band, they were trying to promote their new line of bikes and what they should have been promoting was retirement advice. There was nobody in the crowd of 200 that was under the age of 45. I'm not sure what Harley's thinking, but it sure appears to me that the other major bike manufactures are doing alot more to get younger riders on their bikes and into their shops. My son rides a Honda and I can see why absolutely. The entry level bikes are too heavy and cost to much money. The xr1200 bike to me looks like a retro from the 70s, cool for me but not going to interest anyone under 25. Maybe it's time for someone else to take over the reins in the styling department. Willie G. has done some great work but he is close to 70 years of age I believe and maybe his time has come to ride on down the road.
Indeed! most young folks even working part time can afford a new non-Harley.
If Harley would discontinue half of the Softtail line and throw in an afordable sport-bike in a couple veriations they would get the younger crowd.
If you read "The Horse", Street Chopper", or "Cycle Source" you'll find young folks on Harleys, older Harleys.
The majority of these young folks grew up with a love for the older ones and some are third even forth gemeration Harley riders.
At Harley sponsored events their V.I.P. tents with food and drinks with celiberties is a big turn-off to most, nobody wants to feel second rate.
March 18, 2011 9:27 PM PDT
Yep, it is sad to admit it but this is almost my generation, and I'm ashamed of this even got on the web.
And yes I don't have a bike yet but I have said it before and I'll say it again. I have always wanted a H-D, but lately I have been looking at the prices and I can get a 1200+cc Japanese or Chinese for what I can get a H-D Sporty 883cc and it pisses me off to no end. Yes some day I WILL get an H-D even if it is made in China or where ever! But some of the prices are crazy for a bike and I can get a new car for the same price as a 1200cc Custom Sporty. I already have a crappy car I need a bike now!
Wheels, I think your right it is time for Willie G. to step aside and let progress and the current " youngsters" to start "advising" him better, before it gets worse.
And yes I like the look of sport bikes no dought.
But I love the crusers and choppers my self.
March 19, 2011 1:25 AM PDT
The $60 MILLION is set-aside to develop a motorcycle for their Riders-Edge course, which is this old man's opinion is a great idea. - Will get people into the dealerships & a new generation of riders on the road. - It is not related to the Hyosung rebadging.
BUT what gets me all torked up is that they shut down the Buell facility & the Blast line previous to closing the facility. - THEY ALRADY HAD A CYCLE FOR THE RIDERS-EDGE COURSE - They are probably still using them.
The Blast was/is a ton of fun; rides like that got me into riding. - Too small for me but a lot of fun.
It had a great one lung engine (well, a good one anyway) - If the Blast was too radical for HD they could have dropped the running gear into a conventional tube frame. - Think Sportster on Jenny Craig.
I really like the looks of the Sportster but it is 100# (45KG for BOOF)) too heavy & the 883 engine in a ride that heavy is an insult to the flag.
Thanks for the clarification, Savage.
jb
March 19, 2011 10:12 AM PDT
Down her Harleys new are bloody expensive..The 45 and nightster sporty's still run about 17 grand..Young blokes dont wants a small harley when they can buy a brand new zx10 kwaka that goes like shit of a shanghai for the same bucks..I have young blokes come up to me at the shop all the time asking about the ironhead but they sure as shit aint gonna ride one coz the couldnt maintain the cranky old bugger..So the thing is we're getting a whole new generation of road racers on Jappers..Harley has stood on its dick trying to pull the yuppies in on big buck bikes and forgot about who they'll sell bikes to when the yuppies go broke after the stock market crashes...As for rebadging korean bikes, shit we wont work on their mini bikes coz their shit ,how are their big bikes gonna be? CHEERS BOOF
March 20, 2011 3:39 PM PDT
the guy in the background doing the stunts on the sporty is Jason Pullen. if you google jason pullen stunts, com or just his name on youtube, you will see a lot of wild stunts and all on harleys. he is kind of a west coast icon... secondly HD is between a rock and a hard place. California still has those people pushing for emissions testing on motorcycles. Eventually it WILL pass. harley engines really are not that clean. That was the whole reason for the VROD. water cooled engine do a lot better at the tail pipe. They either have to step up and spend money they don't have or fall behind.
March 21, 2011 9:45 AM PDT
The thing is that Harley Davidson is not doing bad at all. Profits soared for them last year even on reduced sales (what does that tell you, higher profit on reduced sales...) Even when they were having problems they were having a loss of profits, not a loss. Big difference!
They were not making as much money as they were used to. So they lay off 1/5th of their work force. That worked so well that they were talking of letting go another 1400-1600 workers. As a business owner, I can tell you that will only work for so long. You need a happy productive work force to keep in business.
They need to start thinking 10-20 years from now, not tomorrow.
April 11, 2011 7:26 AM PDT
Yup I bought my last Factory Built bike in 2007... I have spent a lot of time and money replacing shabby parts not made in this country and that includes some very interesting wiring designs that all needed to be simplified. Went through their factory clutch in no time and just about nothing on the bike came with it originally. All rebuilt, replaced down to those nickel plated piece of shit spokes!