groucho marks once said, "i will not join any group or club that would ever recruit me as a member".(or something to that effect) i ride w/ a good group of vets, i think the key is more than one common bond that ties the group together. if the only thing in common is a love of riding, thats cool. but, the brotherhood and comraderie will not be there. will you be able to call that persons house at 2 am for a ride to pick you up cause your too drunk to ride?or give you a ride back to get your bike after you ate breakfast with his family? (maybe it wasn't groucho, maybe it was karl) semper fi